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    [Securing Employmen Inside & Outsideof Academia Post Graduation]

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    SPEAKER 1: I'm Dr. Brendan Fox I'm an Assistant Professorat Fort Hays State University.And we have a partnership teachingat two universities in China.So after you graduate what steps doyou take to secure employment inside or outside academia.

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: So the first thing to understand is that networkingleads to employment.And that is true even at the undergraduate level.Whenever you're in college, it's important to expandyour sphere of influence and networkwith your professors, your friends,and oftentimes that leads to employment after you graduate.

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: And so after you finish your doctorate,that's even more important.Your professors, your friends, colleagues,even people that you work with all can lead to employmentbeyond graduation.In my case, I had a professor that I workedwith in my undergraduate level.

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: And we kept an association and a friendshipall throughout my higher education experience.And so she taught me from my undergraduate level,she taught me at my master's leveland then she helped coach me when I was doing my doctorate

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: level studies.And so when I finished she asked meif I was going to work in China and I said, sure, why not.And that led to my teaching now two years in China.So something for you to think about,especially when it came to me was the school

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: that I worked with in the states whenthey had the strategic partnershipwith the schools in China.Many schools in the states are starting to do that.They're starting to develop these partnerships overseas.And so it's important to if you were looking to do somethinglike that you want to consult your classmates,

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: consult the professors that you work with,and also seek out those schools that have these partnerships.A recent thing that happened within the last coupledays was one of my classmates in my doctorate levelcoursework she contacted me a month or so ago

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: and she told me that she wanted to teach abroad.And I couldn't think of anything,any opportunities at the time.But then yesterday I got an email from the schoolwhere I teach and they have an opportunity opened up.And so it's important to let your desires,your aspirations be known especially to people

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: that you know that are teaching overseas.[Keep Documents Up To Date]Key point number two is keeping your documents updated.And that's true for everyone.So when you are actively looking you always

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: want to have an up-to-date resume.A CV, especially in higher education, is very important.And so after I took my job in ChinaI did a massive overhaul of my resume and my CV.And it is vitally important that you

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: do that so that you can either get a position overseas or geta position domestically.And also one of the strategies that I did was youwant to get online and look at the different online toolslike, Vitae which

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: is the employment arm of the Chronicle of Higher Education.In my instance, I also pursued the Journal of Blacksin Higher Education.And so whatever your niche is, itcould be a gender specific, race specific, country specific,

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: but try to find the niche for your job search.As I was applying for different jobsyou'll read the job descriptions and in my case many of themsaid we're seeking a candidate whohas a master's degree as a minimum educational

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: requirement.If you read further down, a lot of themwill say doctorate preferred.So minimum is master's degree, preferredmight be a doctorate degree.So those were all the ones that I applied for.They also have a requirement for experience.

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: And so that's another thing to consider.One of the things that I did, and I think a mistake that Imade, was I was applying for positions thatwere like way out of my league.Like I wanted it to be a Senior VicePresident of the school but those thingsthat you have to kind of work up towards.And so keep your application and your job search to I'll

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: say a modest level.And then once you get in the door,then you can work up to positionsof higher responsibility.Another strategy that I recently adoptedwas in interacting with professionalsthat you know, for instance in my case, I have a dentist.

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: And he referred me to other professionalsat his Alma Mater.And he even made phone calls that kind ofopened the door for me.And so when I then called these people at his Alma Mater,they were expecting my call.And that leads then to a further discussion.

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: So it's a process that you engage yourselfin as you go throughout your job search.It may not be immediate, but if you plant seeds along the wayit can often lead to more opportunities.[Be Clear on What You Want]

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: My third point is that it's important to kind of understandwhat positions that you want to apply for.And in higher education, in academia,you could do administrative jobs which are probablygoing to be like 12 month a year jobs, maybe two weeks vacation.

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: Or you could look at something along the faculty track.And those are pretty interesting because in my experienceI work eight months a year and I vacation for four months a yearand as a faculty member in China.And so we have four months in the fall semester,

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: two months off, and then four months in the spring semester,and then two months off in the summer.And so that's a flexibility that people in the faculty trackhave over people and administrative positions.But the trade-off is that people in administrative positionshave higher levels of responsibility.

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: Those are the senior vice presidents,those are the chief executive officers, those kind of things.Those are the people who are entrustedwith running the institution as opposedto those who are engaged in dealing with and developingstudents.So applying for jobs inside or even outside of academia

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: can be a frustrating experience because, as I tell everyone,I tell my students, I even told my sonthat it's not what you know but it's always usuallywho you know.I mean there are a few people I think, a minority of people,that can apply for a job and not know anyone at the institution.

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: But it always helps and to me it's pretty standardthat if you know someone or you know someonewho knows someone, where you're trying to apply,it usually always helps.And so for those students who are applying for positions,a lot of positions like I have I, after I finish my doctorate,

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: I thought I was going to be like a golden highwayinto like six figure income but that didn't happen.And I applied for, I don't know, it must have been hundreds jobsand didn't get an interview.Which is particularly frustrating especiallyif you have a wide breadth of experience like I have.

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: In my case, I am a military veteran,and I also worked in law enforcementfor a number of years.And I've worked at different levels of the organizationand worked with a lot of people.And then I have all these degrees and nothing happened.

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: So I think for me, from my experience,is always you get the you get the educationbut you also have to know people.For you people who are shy, introverted,you form relationships anyway.And so capitalize on those relationships.

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: Have discussions with people.Contact your advisors, your faculty professors,department chairs, they're all there to help you.And they know someone who knows someone.So have a business card, have a resume, have a CV.

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: Make sure you catalog your work experience.So that it makes you more marketable to institutionsinside academia or organizations outside of academia.That's just a must.[Reflective Questions Is there a career services officeat your school that you can form a relationship with?Can you connect with a human resources specialist?Do you know or can you find a professional who works with

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    SPEAKER 1 [continued]: graduates with advance or terminal degrees?]


Dr. Brendan Fox gives tips to graduates on how to peruse and plan for employment opportunities. Fox highlights networking as the key to hidden opportunities.

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Securing Employment Inside and Outside of Academia Post Graduation

Dr. Brendan Fox gives tips to graduates on how to peruse and plan for employment opportunities. Fox highlights networking as the key to hidden opportunities.

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